When it comes to drug policy, it seems like everyone has an opinion. I'd like to submit the following Royal Gazette article for discussion. What policies do you think Government should be pursuing when it comes to drugs?
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Government MP Ashfield DeVent has claimed guns are routinely imported with drugs as he urged society to get a grip on the problem amid escalating violence.
He told the House on Friday: "Generally I have been told that a shipment of drugs doesn't enter this country if not accompanied by a shipment of guns, they are hand in hand.
"When money is sent it comes with guns whether they want it or not."
And he said in his own seat of Pembroke South East gun shots were heard "somewhat often" but they weren't even reported.
Mr. DeVent blasted the United Bermuda Party for being stuck on the issue of mandatory random drug testing for MPs.
Mr. DeVent admitted he had smoked marijuana in the past but said he was now able to take a test at anytime.
But he said politicians were missing the point if they thought that young people would take notice of the example they set.
He said: "If they think it would stop young people doing it they are so off track. They don't give two hoots about what we say or do they don't even recognise us."
Mr. DeVent lamented Bermuda had seen its first teenager charged with murder recently and now there were seven people on murder charges.
Earlier United Bermuda Party MP John Barritt had kicked off the motion to adjourn general debate by urging Government to "put up or shut up" and consent to random drug testing of MPs after Public Safety Minister David Burch had publicly lamented that so many Bermudians were failing drug tests on recruitment drives for the fire and prison services.
"I call it hypocrisy," said Mr. Barritt. "You cannot expect others to do what you do not do yourself."
That brought a stinging response from the Government benches. Health Minister Nelson Bascome said he had spent years working in drug counselling and said the Opposition needed to get in the trenches and help.
And backbencher Walter Roban said Government had a host of programmes to reverse the problems of drug abuse including Mirrors and Hope for Life.
He said the Opposition MPs didn't represent areas with drug problems a claim which was ridiculed by UBP MP Mark Pettingill who said drugs were everywhere.
Mr. Pettingill lamented the fact that MPs from both sides spoke to each other calmly and cordially in the back rooms of Parliament but tore into each other on the floor of the House, even on issues which they should be able to unite on.
Former Policeman Wayne Perinchief said there was such a demand for drugs that even if importation was curbed people would grow or produce them in this country.
He said the public was enabling the problem by turning a blind eye to relatives who had addictions.
"When little Johnny doesn't want to wake up and go to school because he's tired, he's tired from what? Smoking pot.
"When your daughter is stealing money from her employer and you don't see her wearing expensive clothes she's got a boyfriend with a habit she has to support."
He lamented Government had cut back on funding for drugs awareness.
Social Rehabilitation Minister Dale Butler said Government was producing slightly fewer drug leaflets.
He said Government was close to finding another location for drug retreat Camp Spirit after a site had proved too expensive at $6 million after being originally quoted at $2 million.
And he said Government had opened a drug treatment facility and a transitional living facility recently.
Mr. Butler said people had laughed when 30 years ago a perceptive Sunday school teacher had said marijuana would destroy Bermuda but now the view was commonly held.
And he said he had been so worried about the effects of crystal meth he had set up training programmes so Bermuda was prepared should it spread here.
Shadow Works & Engineering Minister Patricia Gordon-Pamplin discussed the need to stamp out drugs in the community despite her estranged husband's ongoing alleged drug trafficking case.
"I know there may be other people who have called for my resignation given the fact that others close to me have made decisions that I would not have many under any circumstances.
"I don't cover for my children, I don't cover for my siblings, I don't cover for my parents and I certainly wouldn't cover for a spouse if there was something illegal going on."
Energy Minister Terry Lister spoke about the focus on education but said the focus need to also be on parenting.
"I'm not going to try and sell a picture of everything's good. There are some bad children but there are more bad parents. Poor parenting skills is a major issue in this country".
Mr. Lister also said if the Government could figure out a way to help improve parenting skills, Minister of Culture and Social Rehabilitation, Dale Butler, would be able to slash his budget as many of the programmes wouldn't be necessary.
Speaking on the drug debate, Mr. Lister said: "We talk about drugs but we don't talk about alcohol, a legal drug.
"We just act like it's OK to have a fellow eat up half his paycheck with alcohol."
Randy Horton spoke briefly about the drugs debate saying: "We need to decrease the demand for drugs in our community. People have to understand what it is doing to them. We need to ask parents to step up".
The minister also said parents need to take responsibility in making sure their children have legal jobs if they are living a lavish lifestyle and buying gifts for them.
"We need to ensure that we work towards decreasing the level of demand. This is a problem that every person in this country will want to see resolved", he added.
Opposition Leader Kim Swan said: "The difficulties we have in this country is young people have a criminal element. They are bold and aggressive who are role models to our young people, the wrong type of role models".
"We have national sports and (there are) young talented people who can't represent our country because they won't be able to take a drug test."
Michael Scott, speaking after Mr. Swan, said he thought the Government should intervene to stamp out drugs in the community but added ministers shouldn't be required to take drug tests.
Deputy Premier Paula Cox told an analogy about a pig and a chicken who lived in a barnyard. The pig asked the chicken what he wanted for breakfast and the chicken said bacon and eggs.
The pig then said: "For you, that's involvement. For me, that's total commitment".
Ms Cox added: "The level of total commitment in this honourable house in addressing substance abuse in the community".
Comments
Follow by example....
If the Government has enacted madatory drug testing for essential services such as police, fire EMT etc. then why exactly shouldn't Government represenatives be liable for the same treatment? I consider the Government to be encompassed under the title of essential services as well.
Would you ask somebody to do something that you yourself aren't ready to do? The Government are the leaders of the country to which they have been elected. Thus they should lead by example. If they expect the voters, who have put them im power in the first place, to undertake a mandatory drug testing then they should set the tone by doing it themselves as well.
Practice what you preach....
Please explain how drug
Please explain how drug testing MPs will make any impact what so ever on Bermuda's drug problem. Seriously, as Ashfield said in the article, these kids don't even know who the MPs are and they could care less if they don't do drugs. It won't make any impact and to suggest otherwise is just a cheap political stunt.
Do you read or just post blindly?
Did I say anything about kids? I am talking about the need to hire external resources for our essential services. How can you justify a Government placing mandatory requirements upon their civil servants whenthey reject out of hand these same requirements? Does that not seem hypocritical to you? I already know your answer.
This is the lamest argument
This is the lamest argument ever. I can't believe you're grandstanding about it. I think we would all be better served if YOU thought more about the youth and the drug problem. We all agree that we should solve the drug problem. I just think that we should focus our efforts on identifying and funding successful treatment and prevention programmes instead of playing political games. And, this whole drug testing MPs issue is nothing more than a political game. Our goal is to reduce drug consumption and drug violence in Bermuda. Drug testing MPs won't make a lick of impact on that, instead, it just serves to distract us from dealing with the issue at hand and creates unnecessary tension between the parties.
Simple ...
You lead by example.
How can this be in any way construed "a cheap political stunt"? Do you not consider the rampant abuse of heroin, cocaine, ecstasy, etc. in Bermuda not a serious enough social and medical issue to warrant universal drug testing of elected officials as a sure sign of their absolute commitment to solve the island's drug problems?
To do otherwise is complete hypocrisy and totally unbecoming of an open, honest and transparent government.
Umm, I'd just rather focus
Umm, I'd just rather focus on REAL solutions like drug treatment facilities, prevention programmes and the like instead of arguing about whether or not MPs get drug tested. This conversation SHOULD be about our kids and how to keep them from getting addicted and to treat those who are.
Role Models
So the answer is no. Got it. Hypocrisy reigns supreme.
The PLP MPs and Senators are
The PLP MPs and Senators are role models for all Bermudians, sir. And, to suggest otherwise, is demeaning, insulting and it stinks of racism.
Grow Up
Why exactly does that amount to racism if that is what he implied? Why is that if a white person criticises a black public figure it is automatically construed as racism. Is it of your belief that whites should forget their democratic rights and just never utilize their inherent right of freedom of speech because of the skin color of the politician in question?
"Grow Up" Are you going to
"Grow Up"
Are you going to call me a "boy" next? Your insulting drivel has no place here.
"Why is that if a white person criticises a black public figure it is automatically construed as racism."
It's not. It's only construed as racism when racism is demonstrated.
"Is it of your belief that whites should forget their democratic rights and just never utilize their inherent right of freedom of speech because of the skin color of the politician in question?"
Absolutely not. And, to suggest otherwise is insulting.
Where?
You can call me whatever mate. I know and everyone knows me what I am about. So your references to me and racism will not silence me as you wish.
"It's not. It's only construed as racism when racism is demonstrated."
So where is the racism demonstrated then?
I didn't call you anything,
I didn't call you anything, other than a UBPer. And, given that you admitted that you voted UBP, that's not an insult, it's just a factual statement. On the contrary, you've called me plenty of names and I haven't gotten in the gutter with you, sir.
"So where is the racism demonstrated then?"
Anyone that suggests that implies that upstanding, well respected community leaders are not role models because they refuse to submit to a drug test is demonstrating subtle racism. Why? Consider the stereotype about blacks. They're drug users. They're drug dealers. They're lazy. They're stupid. They're uncivilised.
With that in mind, think about the picture some are trying to paint of PLP leaders because they oppose drug testing. Look beneath the surface and think about the underlying social and historical issues. Now, then, consider someone implying that well respected community leaders (our PLP MPs and Senators) are not role models because they oppose drug testing. It's a subtle message that they're assumed to be guilty instead of assumed to be innocent. Those assumptions are made because of our racial history. Grant Gibbons would never feel obligated to go on the floor of the House of Assembly and declare that he is drug free. But, Ashfield DeVent feels like he had to do that because of these unfair and racist assumptions.
The assumption of guilt is the race based issue at the heart of a comment that the PLP leaders are not role models because they don't support drug testing.
First of all...
If you read my post the only reason I voted UBP last election was due to the strong anti-white rhetoric that was coming from the PLP candidates. This is why I agreed with Mr. Bean when he said most whites were "stuck between a rock and a hard place" when having to vote. I asked yuo, and low and behold no response, if you would vote for a party that utilized anti-black rhetoric during its campaign? So again why would anyone vote for a party who preaches against them? Thus I am not a UBPer and am waiting patiently for the minute a new party is formed. Now frig off with your labelling, because your stereotyping is no different then what the ignorant whites did back in the day to your ancestors.
My question again to you is would you make someone perform a duty that you yourself is not willing to partake? That's what it means when it says lead by example. It doesn't mean that because they are black they must be hiding something. A transparent government also includes areas such as this.
So stop with the racist allegations at every turn possible and lets talk!!!!!!!!!
"..if you would vote for a
"..if you would vote for a party that utilized anti-black rhetoric during its campaign? So again why would anyone vote for a party who preaches against them?"
I think it's pretty clear I didn't vote for the UBP.
"My question again to you is would you make someone perform a duty that you yourself is not willing to partake?"
Absolutely yes. Of course. For example, I strongly supported the idea of the draft in the UK and the US during World War II. It was necessary to defeat Hitler and the Nazis to force some people into service who didn't want to serve. The American and British leaders certainly didn't perform those duties themselves, but, they made others do it, and, I'm personally grateful that they did, otherwise, we might be seeking our independence from the fascists right now.
More examples needed....
"I think it's pretty clear I didn't vote for the UBP."
Please provide evidence of where the UBP used anti-black rhetoric in the 2007 election campaign.
"Absolutely yes. Of course. For example, I strongly supported the idea of the draft in the UK and the US during World War II. It was necessary to defeat Hitler and the Nazis to force some people into service who didn't want to serve. The American and British leaders certainly didn't perform those duties themselves, but, they made others do it, and, I'm personally grateful that they did, otherwise, we might be seeking our independence from the fascists right now."
That is a pretty extreme example to use in regards to Bermudian MPs being drug tested. How old are you may I ask?
"Please provide evidence of
"Please provide evidence of where the UBP used anti-black rhetoric in the 2007 election campaign."
The cartoons and the fish animation for one. For more, ask Jamahl Simmons, Max Burgess and Gwyneth Rawlins what they experienced in the lead up to the election. And, ask Jane Correia and Zane DeSilva what they experienced at the door.
"How old are you may I ask?"
You say that and then you have the audacity to claim that you never insult me personally. For shame, sir.
Change is needed....
I asked your age cause your example was that you supported the draft of WWII and this is supposed to be a youth blog. So the shame is on you for once again trying to tgwist one's words to make it seem as if they meant to insult you. Shame on you, sir...
What cartoons would you be referring to? Did the UBP create and issue them? Or was it some a**hole white racist who did that has nothing to do with the UBP?
Ms. Correia and Mr. Desilva no doubt took crap from their white constiutents. Some are definitely racist while others could not figure out why these two white candidates would run for a party who spewed so much anti-white rhetoric. Just like when Ms. Furbert claimed Mr . Crockwell running for the UBP. Same thing and both ar ehighly unacceptable in our society.
This is exactly what I mean when i posted earlier about the eradication of these parties and stereotypes are needed if any sort of progress is to be experienced in this island. The perceptions will and can never be changed due the old timers. That's why WE need to come together and decide our futures instead of placing them in the hands of a bunch of old timers that have carried grudges from way back when. And yes I mean both sides.
provide examples...
"On the contrary, you've called me plenty of names and I haven't gotten in the gutter with you, sir."
Please provide examples to justify your claim....
I'll just take some personal
I'll just take some personal insults from this thread alone. You said that I should "grow up" and you called me "blind."
Whatever mate..spin away
hahaha. You just reaching now mate!!
I asked do you post blindly? Your response had nothing to do with my post. But I guess calling you blind must be racist as well.
And your posts are in need of a little more maturity. I won't apologize for that at all. You have yet to post any ideas of how to better BDA. Just nasty insults and name calling. But hey I am just a "racist UBPer" right?
How many times have I
How many times have I insinuated that you are a child? Oh right. I guess maturity is just the new word for "boy."
I meant what I meant....
Ahhh. There you go again. I meant maturity and grow up. So take it as you want mate. Like I said that is the cowards way of deflecting any sort of argument that you cannot support.
So everyone please note the word MATURITY when used by awhite person towards a black person equals racism.
Basically
Basically what you are saying is that only rebuttal you can come up with against differing opinions is to call that person racist? Instead of trying to see where the person is coming from and forming an intelligent response highlighting why you believe what you do and why you believe it is correct you are just going to use the race card? It is the easy way out for people who cannot explain why they reached the conclusion that they did, mostly because they are simply going off of other people's ideas without actually analyzing the argument and forming their own personal opinions. It is called being a yes man.
If you think that all politicians are role models for the population, then we do not live in the same universe my friend.
"Basically what you are
"Basically what you are saying is that only rebuttal you can come up with against differing opinions is to call that person racist?"
Not at all.
"Instead of trying to see where the person is coming from and forming an intelligent response highlighting why you believe what you do and why you believe it is correct you are just going to use the race card?"
That couldn't be further from the case.
"It is called being a yes man."
And, you claim you aren't insulting. For shame. Just because someone agrees with the PLP does not an ignorant person make.
"If you think that all politicians are role models for the population, then we do not live in the same universe my friend."
Would a drug test change your opinion? If not, then you agree that it's a stupid political stunt and won't do anything to solve the problem.
You're the one that brought up such a petty political issue. I wanted to talk about smart treatment strategies, early intervention programmes and how to monitor and evaluate their success. I wanted to talk about the merits of aggressive law enforcement versus community policing. But, no, the first opportunity you had to throw a political stone around a stupid issue like MP drug testing, you did.
If that's not partisan political opportunism, I don't know what is.
Comment Failure
The PLP MPs and Senators are role models for all Bermudians, sir. And, to suggest otherwise, is demeaning, insulting and it stinks of racism.
Are you kidding me? Did I use the words black or white anywhere in my posts? No, but that didn't stop you from pulling out the race card as your only form of rebuttal. You have absolutely no capacity for intelligent discussion do you? How sad it is if the future of the PLP is in the hands of intolerant people like yourself, blinded by allegiance to misplaced hatred and misinformation.
This is a Bermudian problem that will require ALL Bermudians to solve it ... starting with the politicians on both sides of the House. So stop tilting at windmills and do something proactive for a change by encouraging your MPs and Senators to set the example and take the damn tests.
Perfect Example of your flawed Arguement
32n64w.. Notice how you didn't put anything forward and occupied half of the thread talking bout Drug Testing.. Thats the problem, you spend time trying to score political points as opposed to talking about solutions.
Good to know.
How does..
How does drug testing MP's solve anything?
Lead by example? Should all those wealthy UBP MPs lease or sell one the many homes they own for a reasonable price? Will this solve the housing crisis?
My point is that focus on the important issues. To me Drug testing MPs is not a critical issue. It is how to come up with solutions to the disease that is destroying our community.
As a strong believer in the community, I feel that if we find ways to work as a community, we will find a way to resolve these issues.
Agreed
Mr. Brown,
I do not believe that it is a major issue and shoudl not take precedent over the many serious issues facing our island and people. It was a thread which was posted and I since I always crticise people fornot posting on issues it would be kind of hyprocitical if i didn't.
But for some reason you all seem to think that the drug testing would be specifically for PLP MPs. Remember there are UBP MPs also currently in power and thus they will be tested as well.
Leading by Example
Remember there are UBP MPs also currently in power and thus they will be tested as well.
I believe the UBP have long since employed a drug testing regime for all elected MPs.
Gosh, it's certainly solved
Gosh, it's certainly solved the drug problem in Bermuda hasn't it. All of those warm, fuzzy role models are certainly making our young people turn away from drugs. Let's focus on real solutions, sir.